{"id":24241,"date":"2025-10-21T11:28:00","date_gmt":"2025-10-21T09:28:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/conferences.isaqb.org\/software-architecture-gathering\/?p=24241"},"modified":"2025-11-26T10:22:45","modified_gmt":"2025-11-26T09:22:45","slug":"sag-2025-expert-interview-with-aino-vonge-corry","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/conferences.isaqb.org\/software-architecture-gathering\/sag-2025-expert-interview-with-aino-vonge-corry\/","title":{"rendered":"SAG 2025 \u2013 Expert Interview with Aino Vonge Corry"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"24241\" class=\"elementor elementor-24241\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-84b2256 e-flex e-con-boxed e-con e-parent\" data-id=\"84b2256\" data-element_type=\"container\" data-settings=\"{&quot;background_background&quot;:&quot;classic&quot;}\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"e-con-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t<div 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class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\"><i>In the first episode of our video series of expert interviews for SAG 2025, Aino Vonge Corry, author, facilitator, and expert on retrospectives, explores why learning from mistakes is just as important as celebrating success. She shares powerful insights into survivorship bias, psychological safety, and how vulnerability can strengthen collaboration and trust within teams. The interview was conducted by Richard Wallentin from WPS \u2013 Workplace Solutions. Below is a concise summary of the key points from her interview. You can watch the full video at the end of the article.<\/i><\/p>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-e31fd60 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"e31fd60\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Learning from Mistakes and Building Stronger Teams<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-b564460 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"b564460\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Aino explains that many organizations focus almost exclusively on success stories, overlooking the valuable lessons hidden in failure. This survivorship bias prevents real learning and encourages unrealistic expectations. By openly discussing what went wrong, teams can identify patterns, improve processes, and prevent recurring issues.<br><br>\n\nA central theme of the interview is psychological safety. Aino highlights how vulnerability supports trust, and trust enables people to speak up about mistakes, uncertainties, and risks. When teams feel safe, they address problems earlier, collaborate more openly, and produce higher-quality results. She also reflects on the positive shift over the past decades from \"hero culture\" towards more empathetic and human-centered ways of working.<br><br>\n\nDrawing inspiration from The Lord of the Rings, Aino illustrates how collaboration, shared purpose, and honest communication are essential for navigating complex challenges \u2013 both in storytelling and in real-world software projects.<br><br>\n\n<b>Key Takeaways:<\/b><br><br>\n\n1. Survivorship bias limits learning by hiding the valuable lessons found in failure.<br>\n2. Vulnerability builds trust, and trust empowers teams to improve continuously.<br>\n3. Psychological safety leads to healthier collaboration and better outcomes.<br>\n4. Retrospectives are essential for structured learning and team growth.<br>\n5. Positive team cultures encourage individuals to become change agents for improvement.<br>\n6. 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