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Published on October 27, 2025

SAG 2025 – Expert Interview with Alistair Cockburn

In the second episode of our video series of expert interviews for SAG 2025, Alistair Cockburn, co-author of the Agile Manifesto and creator of Hexagonal Architecture, reflects on 30 years of software development and shares personal insights into the evolution of agile thinking, architectural design, and teamwork. He revisits the origins of Hexagonal Architecture, discusses why simplicity and testing matter more than complex frameworks, and offers a thoughtful perspective on how AI is reshaping collaboration and decision-making in modern software projects. The interview was conducted by Richard Wallentin from WPS – Workplace Solutions. Below is a concise summary of the key points from his interview. You can watch the full video at the end of the article.

From Hexagonal Architecture to Human-Centred Agility

Alistair explains how Hexagonal Architecture emerged not as a grand design theory, but as a practical solution to real-world development pain: the need to separate core application logic from external dependencies and to enable true testability. What began as a modest idea was ignored for years before being embraced by the community and eventually becoming a widely adopted architectural pattern.

At the heart of his work lies a strong belief in people over process. He reflects on the Agile Manifesto and his long-standing observation that people-centric approaches consistently outperform rigid, process-heavy methodologies. For Alistair, effective software design is not about perfect diagrams, but about reducing complexity, clarifying responsibilities, and enabling meaningful collaboration.

Looking ahead, he explores how AI is changing the nature of teamwork. While AI can accelerate technical tasks, Alistair emphasizes that human judgement, feedback cycles, and thoughtful decision-making remain irreplaceable. The real challenge, he argues, is not how fast we can build software, but how teams adapt their communication and collaboration in an AI-driven environment.

Key Takeaways:

1. Hexagonal Architecture was born from practical needs and focuses on decoupling logic from infrastructure through clear interfaces and testing.
2. People-centric methodologies consistently outperform process-heavy or tool-driven approaches.
3. Simplicity and clarity in design are more valuable than complex frameworks and excessive abstraction.
4. AI can support software teams, but human judgement and collaboration remain essential.
5. True architectural quality lies in maintainability and controlled change over time.
6. Strong teams thrive on open communication, trust, and shared problem-solving.

This interview is a must-watch for anyone interested in the foundations of agile thinking, the real story behind Hexagonal Architecture, and how software teams can navigate the changing landscape of AI without losing what truly makes collaboration effective.

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